, though? and maybe this is personal with me. i was born in atlanta, georgia. i grew up, hank aaron was my idol. hank aaron was a remarkable man, decent, humble, mobile, alabama, resident, by the way, native, by the way. he carried so much on his shoulders. >> yes. >> from 1957 through 1974. april 8th, 1974 when he beat babe ruth's record. he feared for his life. and he did it honorably. he did it decently. i don't want barry bonds, that felon, that creep, i don't want him in the same state with hank aaron. i mean, and maybe it's just because of the era, you know, that i come from. i don't want him in this -- he does not belong in the same baseball universe as hank aaron. >> well, he belongs in the hall of fame, joe. i mean, prior to 1999 when the suspicions of steroid use and bonds were linked together, he's a hall of fame ballplayer. roger clemens, yankees, red sox career, he's a hall of fame ballplayer. >> mike, i understand that's like saying that a guy before he started robbing banks at 35 was a really good deacon at his church. >> i know. >> and by the way, bonds, i mean, here's the
